Juan Viejo2

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  who succeeded Fred Franz not as President but the theological guru

  by ex-Special Pioneer in

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  for decades fred franz was the guru of the watchtower bible & tract society.

  he was obsessed with "biblical prophecy" trying to explain the book of daniel and revelation.

  who took over after he stopped writing and who is considered the authority on the jws teaching today especially the so called "prophetic interpretation?

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  James Woods - you have a PM
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  Funny how your tastes in the opposite sex change, and how easy it is to forget the past.

  by miseryloveselders in

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  i had to give a talk away today, which came up somewhat unexpected.

  i had a couple days to get this outline together, and thats sufficient enough time for me, but i prefer knowing a week in advance.

  at any rate, it all worked out.

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  Garth Brook's "Unanswered Prayers" says it best...

  I've had the opportunity to run into some of the girls I either lusted after or dated while I was a JW teenager.

  One was a tiny little thing with the cutest button nose and big brown eyes. Saw her a few years later at District Assemby in San Diego. She looked like a five-foot tall Jabba the Hutt, dragging three kids, all under 4 years old along. Her husband was about 6'5" and weighed about 120. Very, very hard on the eyes.

  Another was not that pretty, but always dressed in a very classy way. More sexy than beautiful. Saw her at a shopping mall. I didn't recognize her but she noticed me. Came over and reintroduced herself. She told me she was "single again." I told her I was DF'd and no longer a JW. You should have seen the change in her countenance. Reminded me of Agnes Moorehead in "Dark Passage." She actually said, "Eewww!" threw up her hands and pointed the palms toward me, and then turned and practically ran away.

  One gal was the niece of our Congregation Servant. She was so cute when she was 11. Cuter at 12. Getting hot at 13. Eye popping at 15. Voluptuous at 16. I dated her a couple of times when we were both 17. Took her to the beach. Couldn't take my eyes off of her. I lusted after that girl, but nothing happened. Ran into her when we were both 20 - she was still single and seemed hot to date again. Told her I was married and had a little girl. Her eyes went cold and her lips flattened into a small crease. I looked at her again and realized that much of her appeal was in her smile and her flashing eyes, not her body. Suddenly, she looked like someone's 45-year old maiden aunt.

  There have been a few others that I've bumped into over the years. Now that I'm in my late 60s, I will see some girls that were in my high school graduating class. Very few have aged well (of course, neither have I), and I'm often relieved that I did not end up with most of them.

  Unanswered prayers! Thank you Jehovah!!!

  JV
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  GOVERNING BODY WIPED OUT IN FREAK ACCIDENT - what happens next?

  by Lion Cask in

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  (reuters) the world of 7 million jehovah's witnesses took a horrific turn this morning when an aviation stunt went bad and claimed the lives of the seven members of the governing body of the watchtower bible and tract society.

  the governing body directs both the spiritual and temporal lives of their followers, who believe their leadership speaks to them directly from god.

  dead are samuel herd (age 75), geoffrey jackson (55), m. stephen lett (61), gerrit losch (69), anthony morris (60), guy h. pierce (76) and david h. splane (66).

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  "Sadly...I don't see a good outcome. I see the JWs stepping up to make sure that there is not any delay in even a single Watchtower. Men from down below would step up and take over the oversight."

  What would happen is that a group of 7 to 10 men in the Service and Writing departments, who are currently "other sheep" class, would suddenly feel the holy spirit come over them and realize that they were now of the "anointed, faithful and discreet slave class," would step forward and appoint themselves as the replacements for the Governing Body. All the drones and clones at Bethel would realize that they would need to establish good relationships with these new leaders as soon as possible in order to cement their own positions and get in line for promotion.

  The event of all of these men in their forties to sixties suddenly being chosen as "anointed replacements" for the late members of the GB would be considered a miracle, giving them even more authority and powers.

  The JWs in the field, of course, would accept what they are told and not murmur, for fear of being disfellowshipped or severely reproved.

  JV
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  Called to be Free - Dissolution of the Worldwide Church of God

  by Dogpatch in

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  [the time links work on my website, not good here].

  called to be free - dissolution of the worldwide church of god.

  [note: this presentation is over an hour long and is very well done, but i have marked key time slots from the video so if you are in a hurry you can watch the key highlites.].

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  I used to watch Garner Ted Armstrong's TV program all the time. He was a lot like that other fellow that wrote all of the books about the end times (name escapes me at the moment), with his prophecies of the "king of the north and king of the south," "Gog and Magog," etc.

  I loved how his prophecies would change as America's perceived enemies changed over the years. First Russia, then Iran, then Iraq.

  Garner Ted got DF'd from the WWCoG by his dad. Then he went to Texas and set up his own branch, which I think is still active and follows a lot of the old WWCoG beliefs. GTA died a few years ago. He was DF'd by his dad because of infidelity in his marriage and was also accused of misuse of church funds for his personal uses.

  I had a co-worker that was a WWCoG member. I remember him telling me that he gave 10% of his GROSS pay to the church, before taxes, med ins, stock plan, etc. He was always borrowing money from the rest of us to buy lunch or to fill his gas tank. He also did not work on Saturday's, so when he was a supervisor at the phone company he had to find a replacement willing to work his weekend duty - and it usually was me.

  They were a weird bunch, but like the JWs, fairly dedicated and trying to be good Christians. But it was so obviously a personality cult under Herbert and son Garner Ted. Plain Truth had pages and pages of Herbert shaking hands with Sadat, and DeGaulle and other major world leaders. I think Sun Yun Moon learned and patterned his Moonie religion after HWA and GTA and their approach to world evangelism.

  Anyone remember that Bing Crosby's concert career effectively came to an end when he fell off the stage at Ambassador College's concert hall while giving performance?

  JV
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  Content is King- Why the Meetings Fail

  by LostGeneration in

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  one of the big sayings for those that run websites is that "content is king" it makes perfect sense, as sites like this one have entertaining content for the targeted audience.

  even better, more content is added everyday bringing users back repeatedly.

  poptular tv shows and movies are loved because they entertain customers for a low cost or free.. on the other hand, you have the content provided by the watchtower bible and tract society, delivered though the pages of the watchtower and through weekly meetings.

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  LostGeneration - check your PMs
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  Did you ever find the meetings refreshing?

  by highdose in

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  i can remember one pompous elder asking me "how can you be depressed after sittiing through such a wonderful meeting?!!".

  i only ever felt relief at getting away, what about you?.

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  I found them fun and refreshing for the first few times when I was 8-years old and the whole thing was new to me.

  I found them fun and refreshing the first few times that I was on a ministry school program or giving my first couple of public talks.

  Other than that, I remember them as boring, overly long, excercises in futility and a total waste of time. You'd almost hope that some kid would get dragged down the aisle on his way to a spanking outside or in one of the restrooms - not for his sake - but just for the momentary excitement.

  You'd hope Sister Flatulenski would rip a good one - just to see everyone giggle and squirm in their seats for five minutes.

  Once in a while a drunk would wander in and sit down in the back and then, in a momentary outburst, yell, "Hey you people. What the hell are you talking about?" Having him escorted out by a couple of brothers was always fun - and it usually brought the WT study to a halt for a few minutes.

  We had windows in our Kingdom Hall, and during the summer they would be opened to let fresh air in and cool the hall down a bit. I'd always find a seat along that aisle so that I could keep myself occupied watching people and cars go by.

  JV
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  Disfellowshipping -- the fault is theirs, not yours.

  by FatFreek 2005 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  the announcement, "john (or mary) doe is no longer one of jehovah's witnesses", is happening some 70,000 times each year.

  the society wants its flock to believe that the member became so unrepentantly contaminated with evil that it became necessary to remove him from the faithful members.. i suggest that nothing can be further from the truth.. these members had lost their trancelike acceptance of watchtower interpretation long before that formal announcement.

  while it's true that recent reminders to the flock that the governing body needs obeisance on a level virtually equal to that of christ, the root of the cooling down of a member to the point where an announcement is made is not necessarily a rejection of governing body power grabbing.

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  FatFreek - check your PMs
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  Be honest...What movie star do you look like?

  by Botzwana in

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  i am curious as to what the members here look like.

  be totally honest now.

  not everyone looks like a knockout or mr. buff.... .

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  keyser soze - maybe John Cusack...but your avatar looks more like that lovable old, foul mouthed, back-stabbing, cut-throat, alcoholic, manipulative, bladder stone passing, hog feeding, whore-mongering, ---- but lovable ---- Swearingen character on Deadwood. That must mean you are a typical Aussie zone servant.

  I only hope that I can achieve such heights when I grow up.

  JV
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  "True Grit" remake. Review

  by Gregor in

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  i really love a good western.

  the remake of true grit by the coen brothers (fargo, o' brother where art thou?, etc.

  ) was a pleasant surprise.

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  Don't forget "Appaloosa" - another great film with gritty realism.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNWcJxEE13Y&feature=related
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  If The Watchtower discourages Greek language study, why did they publish the KIT?

  by VM44 in

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  2. beliefs

  if the watchtower discourages the study of biblical languages, then why did they publish twice, in 1969 and 1985. the kingdom interlinear translation of the greek scriptures?.

  would this not actually encourage the study of the greek language?.

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  Terry you are right about getting the words right.

  Our modern age has vinyl recordings, movies, and newspapers from the beginning of the 20th century. They are news events, speeches, court cases, and other original sources.

  And yet how many times do we see living politicians, writers, commentators, and performers misquoted - or their words bent to mean something totally different than the source material.

  Perfect example: Churchill DID NOT say, "All I have to offer is blood, sweat, and tears." And yet that is the common quote repeated several times daily in newscasts, at schools, and in movies.

  No he didn't. Rock singer David Clayton Thomas may have said those words, but Churchill DID NOT. And those words are only 70 years old and have been transcribed and filmed and recorded at the time he gave his famous speech to the British people.

  So how do you think the writers of the Gospels and Acts could possibly remember Jesus words perfectly - especially since they were not there. Mark and Luke were not even present at any of the events in Jesus life. They were writing from third person accounts. Matthew sourced his material from Mark. John may or may not have been present, but his accounts do not agree with the other three gospels in many cases. Paul was not even converted until well after Jesus death - and yet he frequently quotes Jesus.

  Nah, the Bible is more like a modern history book that you'd find in an American high school. Major events like World War 2 are "fleshed out" across two or three pages. The Civil War is frequently misreported and misinterpreted. Korea? What was that. President Jimmy Carter barely gets a mention, and the Iran revolution of 1979 is ignored. I could give hundreds of examples.

  So how can modern Bible thumpers like the JWs use the Bible as the only precise and totally accurate record of Jesus' life? The answer is they can't.

  BTW - Churchill's words were:

  "I have nothing to offer but blood, toil, tears and sweat."

  JV